Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups
Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> Wed, 11 February 2026 05:38 UTC
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Subject: Re: AI slop "contributions" to IETF working groups
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On Feb 10, 2026, at 20:49, Rich Kulawiec <rsk@gsp.org> wrote: > > […] (To be clear, > yes, I'm suggesing a ban on the use of AI.) > […] > I share this concern. Our current situation reminds me very much of > 40-ish years ago, when a nascent problem some of us called "mass mail abuse" > was annoying but relatively small. It didn't stay that way. These > problems never stay that way, and most of the time, the rate at which > they spiral out of control is higher than even pessimistic estimates. I’m sure a ban on LLM usage will work exactly as well as banning spam did(†). Please also note that us people who use English as a foreign language are going to continue using all NLP tools we can get our hands on, such as spell-checkers, grammar checkers, autocompletion, search engines, LLM-based suggestions for improved language, etc. (I’m not giving up my calculator(*) either.) Grüße, Carsten (†) Maybe that’s optimistic. Spam is spam on the surface, LLM damage may be done at a deeper level. In any case, the problem will stay around at least as an annoyance. (*) In the 1970s, my father had a role in introducing calculators into regular school classroom usage in our federal state. Lots of deja-vu in the discussion here…
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