[14:01:06] Chassis meeting time [14:01:16] geekman-rohit, arschmitz, kristyjy, nashvail [14:01:22] hi [14:03:08] okay so while I grab the agenda link [14:03:19] it's important to note that we have the normalize stuff done from geekman-rohit [14:03:24] and kristyjy finished up the work on tables [14:03:31] woot [14:04:11] agenda: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ke2x_powoI8QnfyFtyOdeOI1ZJjL0PzAy9oXgyUYXb8/edit?usp=sharing [14:05:58] normalize pr is here: https://github.com/jquery/css-chassis/pull/169 [14:06:18] hey everyone [14:06:23] and the tables PR is here: https://github.com/jquery/css-chassis/pull/151 [14:06:49] from what I saw, normalize looked good to me [14:07:00] so if everyone agrees, I'll pull that in after this meeting [14:07:30] kristyy reworked tables to take into account discussions from the review [14:07:34] including use of variables [14:08:39] I reviewed normalize looks good to me [14:08:44] okay [14:08:56] I'm not sure if what you did will get affected at all my normalize's inclusion [14:09:08] by* normalize's* [14:09:17] although I suspect changes will be minimal [14:09:24] sounds good [14:09:58] Okay [14:10:00] Sarah remember the css conf talk about using ems [14:10:10] yeah [14:10:20] I always thought our em function was weird [14:10:26] that was osmething I want to discuss after this [14:10:35] because this pr is not necessarily the place to change thing [14:10:40] tables pr [14:10:44] on em/px/etc [14:12:18] ohkay i meant in general [14:12:24] I agree I think doing an overall rework of handing using ems instead of pixels for all of the existing components could be one PR [14:12:35] it affects all PRs [14:13:27] it's also something that will need some discussion/debate [14:15:13] @sfrisk we can discuss later. I was only voicing it before i forgot all about it later [14:16:57] but I want to create a ticket that addresses it [14:17:29] +1 for that [14:17:41] I would prefer rem for font-size, px for border-width, and em for almost everything else [14:17:47] I can already imagine the long debate it might start [14:18:14] haha, yeah [14:18:51] basically rem for font size is what we are doing indirectly via that em function [14:19:26] defining things in terms of em to a fixed px value of 16. shouldnt be that hard to translate that to rem [14:20:02] yeah, there is a mixin that I use that makes rems REALLY easy [14:20:54] honestly incorporating this on the base level would be cool: https://css-tricks.com/viewport-sized-typography/ [14:21:54] did we agree on not supporting ie9? [14:22:14] we had a discussion sometime about that I don't remember what we decided kn [14:22:18] on* [14:26:18] we could always do a fallback for ie9 if we have to [14:27:35] but I think this affects everything.. I don't really like the idea of a fallback for how we look at and think about sizing [14:27:49] why are we trying to support ie9 [14:27:55] i thought we dropped that a long time ago [14:27:58] yeah I definitely think we should try to use the advice in that talk with using REMs as the parent size and then ems for it's children [14:28:17] we could even convert the rems to px with a mixin for ie9 [14:28:29] if arschmitz is right then problem solved [14:28:31] ie9 is not even supported by microsoft anymore [14:28:35] sounds good to me [14:29:39] okay drop all the bad things! [14:29:40] weee [14:30:01] If that's the case we won't need a fallback for flexbox either [14:30:18] considdering we are still not that close to a v1 [14:30:22] true [14:30:23] i wouldnt even bother with 10 [14:30:31] lol fair enough [14:30:31] okay forward thinking css framework [14:30:32] just 11 and edge [14:30:44] thats all microsoft recomends supporting [14:30:48] I couldn't remember if jquery's stand on browsers had changed or not [14:30:50] thats all mobile and ui support [14:30:52] but 11 and edge isn't that bad [14:30:59] nice [14:31:00] and if we do flexbox, that make rtl support SOOOO much easier [14:31:07] :) [14:31:26] although probably not focus on grid right now [14:31:33] okay, so I'll merge in normalize [14:31:40] review tables for kristy? [14:32:16] and I'll create a ticket for standardization in units [14:33:15] I remember slayslot requesting to work on tables [14:33:48] if he wants to take over any edits from here he can feel free. [14:34:20] I'm not that attached to tables :) [14:34:26] i might write a ticket to revamp the typography [14:34:31] and do that this week [14:34:31] I like my tables [14:34:40] sounds good sfrisk [14:35:23] and once kristyjys pr is in.. i would like to work on tables too [14:37:43] I also want to see how http://view.css-chassis.com/input-styling/demos/inputs.html looks with buttons [14:39:24] okay I don't know if we have anything else to talk about today [14:39:44] I'll pull in normalize, create those tickets [14:43:10] see everyone later