[10:01:21] Meeting time! [10:01:40] Hi [10:02:09] arschmitz: DaveMethvin, scott_gonzalez, joebot0101 [10:02:21] kborchers [10:02:24] hi there [10:02:37] hey [10:03:02] jzaefferer [10:03:11] marklog_ [10:03:15] markelog_ [10:03:30] am I forgetting anyone? [10:03:33] hey-hey [10:03:58] isaacdurazo [10:04:10] today's agenda: https://docs.google.com/a/sarahfrisk.com/spreadsheets/d/1FUdRcAq2d8njs8KAcfQmEyoZL74SXLsLp1rtc7E9z_I/edit#gid=868130442 [10:04:17] hey kborchers [10:04:35] hey isaacdurazo just thought you might be interested in this meeting on tuesdays [10:04:48] It's the Chassis meeting [10:05:11] just wanted to note that i'm lurking/observing, more or less for the purposes of WP. :) [10:05:18] Okay! :-) [10:05:34] kborchers: I can't today but count me in next Tuesday [10:05:35] :/ [10:06:15] Actually, on that topic, I won't be around a reliable internet connection next Tuesday due to the holidays, do we want to cancel next week's meeting, or does someone else want to lead it? [10:07:21] I doubt there will be much work going on in between now and then [10:07:27] sfrisk: here, kinda ::) [10:07:36] probably [10:07:48] oh the joy of being a team leader during the holidays [10:08:02] herding cats [10:08:08] haha [10:08:22] Ill be around if people want a meeting and are around but i really don't see there being a need [10:08:48] Holidays tend to be a tough time in general. :-/ [10:09:14] yeah, that;s my situation right now [10:09:16] :/ [10:09:26] DaveMethvin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SmgLtg1Izw [10:09:41] yep [10:09:52] arschmitz, nice! [10:11:30] Okay, so probably no meeting next Tuesday, unless something comes up where we need to discuss something [10:12:07] but I'll see all of you the sixth of January [10:13:23] Okay, so on the topic of Naming Conventions, last meeting we decided on BEM, but there was some discussion on the actual class names [10:13:44] if we wanted to go with double dashes for example [10:14:09] veged had some suggestions in the thread, that I wanted some input on how people felt about them [10:14:19] https://github.com/jquery/css-chassis/issues/4#issuecomment-67314921 [10:14:26] ManyWordsBlock [10:14:26] ManyWordsBlock_someModifier [10:14:26] ManyWordsBlock_someModifier_withValue [10:14:28] ManyWordsBlock-anyElem [10:14:30] ManyWordsBlock-anyElem_someModifier [10:14:32] ManyWordsBlock-anyElem_someModifier_withValue [10:15:21] So one thing Kristofer mentioned when i was talking with him is that the reason topcoat went with the double dashes and unerscores [10:15:37] was to make it easy to use regex's on class names [10:17:04] good point [10:17:37] I'll admit, the double dashes are kiiinda growing on me [10:19:17] im not strongly opinionated on this at all honestly [10:20:00] I've been thinking about it over the past week a little bit - I almost prefer double dashes + dashes instead of camel case plus dashes [10:20:35] im not a big fan of camel case in classes [10:20:55] thats like my easy this is a js var not a class check lol [10:21:04] lol [10:22:07] maybe just because thats what im used to because its what jquery projects require [10:23:21] well how about we stick with dashes/double dashes then? [10:23:36] im fine with that [10:23:46] Okay, I'll post it on the issue and close it then [10:24:10] unless anyone else has an opinion? [10:24:24] but bytes! [10:24:28] lol [10:24:58] lol [10:25:11] anyone besides arschmitz and his bytes? [10:25:14] or myself [10:25:29] nope, seems practical [10:28:00] And I think there was talk about using OOCSS or SMACSS as a design pattern [10:29:22] I have not really looked at the differences yet [10:29:37] although design patterns for the css files might be beyond the scope of that original backlog [10:32:49] yeah maybe a new issue for that [10:33:26] okay [10:35:12] okay, anything else on performance testing? I know there was some discussion about it in the issue thread last week [10:35:22] since last week we decided we would do things internally [10:36:13] nope nothing yet https://twitter.com/kborchers/status/547453502964781056 [10:36:13] kborchers: @kborchers: @dam @brianleroux any news on the perf testing for chassis? would love to get those going. meeting in #jquery-meeting on irc now if avail [10:37:16] kborchers: dam commented and iv talked to him [10:37:40] theres actually been a lot of discussion in the issue including an offer from the creator of perfjankie to help [10:38:02] I got the testing setup working after the last meeting [10:38:16] but after that offer i invited them to join meeting today [10:39:49] https://github.com/jquery/css-chassis/issues/2#issuecomment-67235478 [10:41:25] yeah, there was definitely a lot of chatter last week after the meeting [10:43:09] I think the next step [10:43:12] but it is like 2 days before christmas, so I can understand if it was difficult to make this meeting [10:43:17] is deciding what we want for test pages [10:43:22] for other frameworks [10:43:32] once we have that we can actually start this [10:43:41] yeah [10:44:49] do we want a new issue for that? to come up with the list of frameworks? [10:44:58] Not just frameworks [10:45:07] but what exactly the test pages will contain [10:45:26] will they be individual components [10:45:33] or like a kitchen sink [10:45:51] and if a kitchen sink since different frameworks include more or less components we will need to find a common set [10:46:29] Okay [10:46:43] because to make the comparison actually usable we need to make sure we are testing the exact same thing in each framework [10:46:59] Definitely [10:48:21] Personally i think both are useful though [10:48:37] Okay, so I can either make a note about that on the current task - or create a new one to help establish this stuff separate from the actual performance testing task [10:48:38] the kitchen sink gives you a general kinda score for the framework as a whole [10:49:05] i think a note here [10:49:14] and then maybe we can just revrence that from #2 [10:49:24] okay [10:51:01] okay, also in yay news, isaacdurazo said he would have time to work on the logo after the 5th of January [10:51:03] yaaaaaay [10:51:12] Sweet! [10:51:18] yaaay! [10:51:21] :D [10:52:30] Anyone else have anything else to say regarding https://github.com/jquery/css-chassis/pull/28 ? [10:52:49] If not, I'll merge in that pull request [10:54:04] sfrisk: those are on every jquery repo right now just check with agcolom its ready [10:54:14] ok [10:55:15] Okay, 6 minutes left, the other things on the docket were build system and online download builder and investigate unit testing fromework for SASS [10:55:24] which both have had a bit of discussion occuring around them [10:55:45] I very strongly believe we should have a robust online builder [10:55:56] but I'm inclined to hold off on that for next meeting, mostly because I feel these are larger discussions, and would like a few more people here for it [10:56:06] But I do agree with arschmitz [10:56:27] I think this is really pretty far out at this point to [10:56:38] we need something to build before we need an online builder :-) [10:57:02] trueee [10:57:19] I figured I would bring them up though, since people have been passionate on these topics lately though [10:57:37] and stuff like an online builder does tie a little bit on how we build things [10:57:37] oh yeah i mean all for discussion just saying [10:57:49] its not like we need to decide and make a final decision right off [10:57:52] true [10:58:02] welp, in that case, I think that's everything on the list [10:59:27] see you guys on the 6th of January! Happy holidays and New Year and all that jazz :-D